Showing posts with label Revelation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Revelation. Show all posts

10.29.2009

Follow Up on "Is God There?"

I had really expected to get to this a lot sooner than now, but you know how schedules go...  The time that I have had to investigate the question that I posed in an earlier post has been hit and miss.  The question was "if God is omnipresent, is He in hell?"  I had asked for response to this and got no takers other than one or two people contacting me through facebook saying that they were going to look at this some more.

Here's the conclusion that I have come up with...Yes, I truly believe that God is in hell.

Having grown up in the church, I was taught that hell was "eternal separation from God."  People would use Isaiah 59:2 and Matthew 25:31-46 as support for this teaching.  I admit that I have used the verse from Isaiah in talking to people about salvation and the need to confess Christ frequently in the past.  I had never had anyone ask me to try and reconcile the ideas of God's omnipresence (He's everywhere) and hell.  At first glance, it appeared that there was something not right... something like a contradiction.  But as I studied more, it became more clear.

Before I get too far down that road, let me share Scripture as to why I say that God is present in hell.  Psalm 139:7-10 talks about the omnipresence of God.  It basically says that there is no place in all of creation that you can go to get away from the presence of God.  David even speaks of the place called "Sheol" as a place where God was present.  This "Sheol" was the concept of hell in the Old Testament.  This same concept is found in Amos 9:1-4.  Amos talks about God's hand reaching into "Sheol".  One of the clearest pictures of God's presence in hell is found in Revelation 14:9-11.  In verse 10, John records that those who are in hell "will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."  We know that the Lamb is referring to Jesus Christ (God).

Back to the road I was on.  How do you reconcile God's omnipresence and the thought of hell (eternal separation from God)?  Many times when God's presence is referred to in the Bible, it is speaking of His blessings (Genesis 4:14; Jeremiah 7:15, 15:1, 23:39, 52:3-4; 2 Kings 17:18-23).  What I've come to understand is that there is a difference between spatial presence (the physical part of where someone is) and relational presence (how you relate to someone).  This is the answer that shows that God is everywhere, even in hell.  Why it's easy to see God's presence (both spatial and relational) in heaven, His spatial presence is very much in hell.  Sadly, it is the wrath of God to the fullest extent is what is present in hell.  God's relational presence (blessings) have been removed from the place called hell so that His wrath is fully shown.

I know that this is not a warm and fuzzy topic, but I truly think that it is a topic worth addressing.  Peter reminds us to be ready to give an answer for the hope we have (1 Peter 3:15).  Paul reminds us to be able to properly handle the truth of God (2 Timothy 2:15).  If we are going to be true disciples of Jesus Christ, then we must tackle the tough questions and let God's word and the Holy Spirit show us the truth.

8.26.2008

"Supping" with God

I bet that you have seen this picture or one like it before. It is based on Revelation 3:20 where Jesus says,
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me" (King James Version).
Now, I know many people focus on the first part of that verse where Jesus talks about standing at the door and knocking. It is no secret that though I strongly believe in evangelism, but I believe this verse is taken out of context by many to share the Gospel with people. That's not what is on my mind today. Today, I want to look at that whole verse and what happened at our house last night.

I was on my way to Subway last night from seminary classes thinking about how I could spend more time on building my family up and being the spiritual leader for them that I have been called to be. I was picking up some dinner for me and Naomi when this verse came into my head. I began to meditate on this verse as a whole... then it clicked! Jesus was telling the church that He wanted to come in and live life (all of life's experiences) with them like a family member. I have been looking for creative ways to lead my family (see the entry about family ministry). God gave me a great idea: why not just talk with God (prayer) while we eat dinner.

I realize that for some people to pray in any other position besides "heads bowed, eyes closed" is a sin. I'm sorry, but I don't see it that way. So last night while munching on some Subway sandwiches, me and Naomi talked with God (prayed). It was a little awkward at first, but I will say this, I don't think that I've ever been more focused in prayer. It was just like having dinner with some friends and sharing our lives with them. I think we truly got the picture of what Revelation 3:20 was saying.